March 22, 2010 at 9:00 pm Eastern Time
Grab a copy of Wolf Hall: A Novel (Man Booker Prize) , a glass or mug of your favorite beverage, and join us for the next Twitter Book Club discussion!
Questions? Post a comment below, ask on Twitter (@thebookmaven or @booksquare), or even use good old email: bethanne at thebookstudio dot com.
Archived discussion
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
we recommend tweetchat.com for those having trouble with other applications. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 8:59 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
Begging indulgence from all my Twitter followers for next hour as I co-host Twitter Book Club/#tbc with @booksquare. Feel free to mute me!
March 22, 2010 -- 8:59 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
#tbc have thoughts in excess of 140 characters? go here -- March's Book Club: "Wolf Hall" http://ow.ly/1pCgI
March 22, 2010 -- 9:00 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
hello and welcome to twitter bookclub. @thebookmaven and i are so excited to be back. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:00 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
Good evening, Twitter Book Club participants! Tonight we're discussing Hilary Mantel's WOLF HALL. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:00 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@booksquare Yes we are... :) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:01 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
(and my apologies for the extended hiatus. it was my crazy schedule that caused the delay) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:01 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@booksquare Great to have you back from across the pond, too, K.! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:01 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
RT @thebookmaven: Good evening, Twitter Book Club participants! Tonight were discussing Hilary Mantels WOLF HALL. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:02 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
Anyone else out there? @Scarletandcream? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:02 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
as i told @thebookmaven, after reading wolf hall, the drive down cromwell road in london took on a very different meaning! (thx, B) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:02 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
I'm only about on page 50 or so of WOLF HALL. The writing style is, shall we say, eccentric #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:03 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
Hi @hieronymus -- great to see you here. I know @booksquare has some questions to get us started... #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:03 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
starting with a softball question as everyone gets their wine: can we agree with was a great read? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:03 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@booksquare @hieronymus just said the writing style is "eccentric." I'm wondering if everyone found it a great read. I did -- but SLOW. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:04 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
I'm coming! Computer issues, tweeting from PDA momentarily. . . #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:04 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@hieronymus we'll be talking about that very thing. i know a few people were put off by the author's style. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:04 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
#tbc Starting with overall impressions of Wolf Hall. First thing that struck me was, despite dark subject matter, Hilary Mantel's sly humor.
March 22, 2010 -- 9:05 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
i found the reading sped up once i got into the author's rhythm. first few chapters took some mental energy. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:05 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@booksquare VERY sly humor -- and an oddly sly poignancy to many scenes, too (I'm thinking of Cromwell's family). #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:06 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
Very in line with the way academic men wrote/talked at court, esp in referring to royalty & clergy. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:06 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@scarletncream i'm not familiar with the academic style. can you elaborate? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:07 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@scarletncream Love that point. @booksquare Looking forward to hearing more, but such a formal/stylized society those Tudors created... #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:08 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
@thebookmaven Whew--just made it. I'll be lurking because I haven't finished it, though I know, historically, how it ends. Ick. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:08 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
"why are you such a...person? it isn't as if you could afford to be." lines like that made me smile. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:09 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
Esp true of canonical writing of the time. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:09 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
#tbc Does Mantel successfully merge fact with fiction?
March 22, 2010 -- 9:10 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@ErikaRobuck Glad you're here! Don't worry, lurking is fine. Lurkers -- just let me know you're here, please? (Does that defeat point?) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:10 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
It has a bit to do with the formality of Latin and French, the English were just really coming into their own academic style. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:10 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
Some reviews I've read say she makes Cromwell to be too sympathetic #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:10 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@booksquare The question of fact v. fiction -- it worked for me. I became convinced Cromwell's childhood was matter of record... #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:11 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@thebookmaven mentions cromwell's family. he had an interesting way of defining the term, didn't he? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:11 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
Thru the ages, English style more formal than others that followed - American, Irish, Scotish, Aussie, etc. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:11 pm
JennWebb (JennWebb):
@thebookmaven I'm here lurking! I've just started the book...am at the mental energy part @booksquare mentioned :-) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:12 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@hieronymus is that a bad thing? we've heard the other side of the story in many forms, not sure we've been this exposed to cromwell. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:12 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@hieronymus I believe that's one of our questions, too, but no reason not to discuss it now. Cromwell of WOLF HALL so fully drawn 1/2 #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:12 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@JennWebb Welcome Darling Lurker! Thanks for bobbing head up for a moment. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:12 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@scarletncream thank you (keep elaborating if the spirit moves you). this is not my area of expertise, so i'm learning. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:13 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@booksquare @hieronymus I thought interesting to see more complex version of Cromwell, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut.... #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:13 pm
batpoet (Louise Strecker):
@thebookmaven @booksquare Hi friends. I'm here, but read WH a month ago. Not my fave but I admired it for Mantel's wit & historicism. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:13 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@batpoet Welcome! So glad you are here. Please say more about why it wasn't your fave. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:14 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@thebookmaven mentions that she came to believe mantel's version of cromwell's childhood was fact. anyone engage in fact checking? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:14 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
A sympathetic view of C, but perhaps bc both the Caths & Angls made STM a saint, that C never stood a chance in relative histories? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:14 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@batpoet share! would love to hear your thoughts. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:14 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
@JennWebb If you can wade through the beginning, her style/the plot/etc. hits you with force, and then gains tremendous momentum. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:14 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
Sorry, by C I mean Cromwell, and STM St Thomas More. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:14 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
#tbc How did Wolf Hall impact your perception of Thomas Cromwell, Thomas More, Anne Boleyn, even Henry VIII?
March 22, 2010 -- 9:15 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@booksquare I did discover that no one seems to be sure whether or not his father was English, or Anglo-German. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:15 pm
JennWebb (JennWebb):
@ErikaRobuck Oh, I never give up :-) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:15 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@scarletncream i was thinking of the contrast to "a man for all seasons". #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:16 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@ErikaRobuck @JennWebb I agree. You have to get through the "set up" if you will in order to get Mantel's vision. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:16 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
This isn't one of our questions, but if @booksquare will indulge me: Did anyone else think WOW, Hilary, you've disproved 1/2 #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:17 pm
batpoet (Louise Strecker):
@thebookmaven Here's my un-intellectual reply (apologies): It made me irritable about the slimy British politics of that era! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:17 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
2/2 the old wisdom of women writing about domesticity versus men writing about world stage/"big" issues #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:17 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
what about anne boleyn, specifically? has history served her well? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:17 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
bit of a noob in this period, besides "pop lit", so it's coming pretty fresh to me #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:18 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
As a lawyer, was taught to revere STM but as I've learned more, I admire C's skepticism, interesting how he lived in STM's wake/death. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:18 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@thebookmaven awesome observation! though, in some ways, it was a very domestic novel (domestic=england). #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:18 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
so far I like Cromwell's pragmatism, even cynicism #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:19 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
@booksquare In beginning frustrated by distance between reader & Anne/Henry...As TC gets closer, however, they're coming into focus. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:19 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
#tbc What did you think about Anne Boleyn seen through Cromwell's eyes?
March 22, 2010 -- 9:20 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@hieronymus via pragmatism, is he being set up in opposition to thomas more? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:20 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@scarletncream Yes! The skepticism! Cromwell's arm's-length perspective in this novel is a great lens by which to view the court. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:20 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
Strange the American obsession with the Tudors. Mine started in 7th grade with Twain's Prince & Pauper. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:20 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@booksquare Why thanks! And EXACTLY. I loved that Mantel uses domestic details to craft a big-picture book. Woman writer FTW! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:20 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
does the skepticism speak to @batpoet's comment on the sliminess of politics in the era (though we could argue that hasn't changed!). #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:21 pm
LisaHendrix (Lisa Hendrix):
@thebookmaven Per Wiki, his father was descended from Catherine Cromwell, sister to Thos. Cromwell. Line of descent seems pretty clear. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:21 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@scarletncream Excellent point. Anyone else have thoughts about why Americans are obsessed w/the Tudors? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:22 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
@ErikaRobuck: I agree but realized that was prob true - he had to rise after Wolsey & STM fell. And he was just as bright as STM?#tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:22 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
We don't have royalty, so the Tudors are a good substitute. Non threatening even #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:22 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
@booksquare Anne almost seems like a projection of Cromwell's own personality. Detached, calculating, strategic, pragmatic. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:23 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@LisaHendrix I was talking about Thomas Cromwell's father, not Oliver...or am I misunderstanding you? BTW, welcome! :) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:23 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@LisaHendrix you are talking about oliver cromwell? just clarifying (old brain here!). #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:23 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@hieronymus HAHA, makes sense. Also: Tudors sort of a nation-making family, maybe reminds us of Founding Fathers? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:23 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
The arm's length makes sense bc C could rarely trust anyone, but many accts said he was true to himself always. Perilous in HVIII's ct. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:23 pm
jasonashlock (Jason Allen Ashlock):
If you've read WOLF HALL and want to talk about it, @thebookmaven for a Twitter Book Club RIGHT NOW #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:24 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@ErikaRobuck could we argue that both cromwell and anne are also pawns in the game? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:24 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@jasonashlock Thanks for the shout-out! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:24 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
#tbc More than a few have commented on Mantel's use of pronouns (in particular, he, him, his). How did you (or didn't you) overcome this?
March 22, 2010 -- 9:25 pm
InAbsinthia (InAbsinthia):
Join us for a WOLF HALL Twitter Book club chat : http://tweetchat.com/room/tbc #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:25 pm
JennWebb (JennWebb):
RT @jasonashlock: If you've read WOLF HALL and want to talk about it, @thebookmaven and @booksquare for a Twitter Book Club RIGHT NOW #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:25 pm
LisaHendrix (Lisa Hendrix):
@thebookmaven Oops. Yes, you're right. I was talking about Oliver. My bad. I wasn't paying close enough attention. Just ignore me lol #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:25 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@LisaHendrix HA, won't ignore you -- come sit by me! No worries... #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:25 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@LisaHendrix never! we are glad you joined the conversation. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:25 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
@booksquare Ooh, good point! Both imagine they have control. Both lose their heads. #tbc.
March 22, 2010 -- 9:25 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
Join us for a WOLF HALL Twitter Book club chat : http://tweetchat.com/room/tbc #tbc (sorry, posted from wrong account)
March 22, 2010 -- 9:25 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
Best. Twittername. Ever. RT @InAbsinthia: Join us for a WOLF HALL Twitter Book club chat : http://tweetchat.com/room/tbc #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:26 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
I think skepticism rose from his childhood, the various worlds he inhabited (trade/reli/poli) yet w/o pedigree. + the Reformation Qs. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:26 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@ErikaRobuck hoped that was where you were going with your parallel. interesting thought. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:26 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@Suejustbooks Talk with us anyway! Twitter Book Club means never having to say "Sorry, I haven't read enough..." ;) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:26 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
I imagine getting kicked around by your father would make you pretty skeptical! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:26 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
In re: pronoun use, a LOT of re-reading. Even when I didn't have wine along for the trip. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:27 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
ha! RT @scarletncream: In re: pronoun use, a LOT of re-reading. Even when I didnt have wine along for the trip. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:27 pm
Suejustbooks (Sue Kowalski):
@thebookmaven: I'm enjoying the conversation! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:27 pm
batpoet (Louise Strecker):
@booksquare lol - at least they're not officially sending people to the Tower or burning them anymore. women's work? have a son! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:28 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
i tie the pronoun thing to mantel's rhythm. i reached a point where i was very clear about point of view. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:28 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
The pronoun use made re-reading necessary sometimes, and forced me to read sloooowly. It had to have been deliberate thought, right? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:29 pm
JennWebb (JennWebb):
@scarletncream I have noted it's difficult to enjoy a glass of wine and this book at the same time. @booksquare #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:29 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
@booksquare Esp. when thinking back to story of Wyatt drawing lion away and Cromwell being compared to Wyatt. Henry = lion. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:29 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@thebookmaven i'd say mantel's stylistic choices were very deliberate. and effective (for me). #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:29 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
#tbc How did Cromwell's brutal childhood affect his character?
March 22, 2010 -- 9:30 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
RT @ErikaRobuck: Esp. when thinking back to story of Wyatt drawing lion away and Cromwell being compared to Wyatt. Henry = lion. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:30 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@batpoet FINALLY watching The Tudors, and I also JUST recently read THE OTHER BOLEYN GIRL. The have-a-son thing never clearer. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:30 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@JennWebb i managed, and know you can too . #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:30 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@JennWebb HAHAHA. Night's best comment! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:30 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
I've just been trying to go with the flow, pronoun-wise. figure it will all work out #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:31 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
@scarletncream Pronouns gave me some trouble. Also, multiple names/titles for one character. Cast list at beginning helped. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:31 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
thinking of cromwell's childhood, felt like pieces missing (thomas cromwell: the lost years!). #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:31 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@booksquare What convinced you that the stylistic choices were deliberate? A certain scene/point in book? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:31 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
@JennWebb, thanks for not letting me be the only lush :-) I agree, very deliberate, yet effective. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:32 pm
LisaHendrix (Lisa Hendrix):
@booksquare Pronouns get tricky when several chs of 1 gender r in scene. S/times u just have to go w flow, trust readr to sort it out. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:32 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
Anyone else pic these characters from the Showtime series? Well, other than HVIII as JRM is waaay too fit & hot. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:32 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
@booksquare Perhaps she could write a prequel? Yes? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:33 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@thebookmaven it was more the pacing, the careful setting of scene, the (later question) deliberate omissions. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:33 pm
batpoet (Louise Strecker):
@booksquare @thebookmaven I read Bolt's play (&film) A Man for All Seasons, so Mantel's tweaking of Thomas More darker was fascinating #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:33 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@scarletncream Laughing...you're totally right about JRM as HVIII. BTW, way off-topic: Anyone else see him in Gormenghast? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:33 pm
JennWebb (JennWebb):
@booksquare I'm an overachiever––I will succeed! (without having to re-read everything ) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:33 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@ErikaRobuck ha! wait for last question . #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:33 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@ErikaRobuck Interesting...I know we'll be talking about sequel shortly... #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:33 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
I do wonder if C would have really articulated that family that way. He was unconventional, but well-aware of his lack of pedigree. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:34 pm
JennWebb (JennWebb):
@scarletncream I'm here to help. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:34 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
Favorite early quote: "Over the city lies the sweet, rotting odor of yesterday's unrecollected sins." #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:34 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
I have to say, this #tbc is FLYING by. WOLF HALL: So much book, so little time! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:34 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@batpoet but appropriate to the time. more wouldn't have survived if he'd been pure saint. everyone at that level was political. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:34 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
#tbc Why "Wolf Hall" as a title?
March 22, 2010 -- 9:35 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
@scarletncream I can't get the cast of THE TUDORS out of my head in the reading of this. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:35 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
what about the mixture of tenses, often (but not always) using present tense (an underused tense in books)? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:36 pm
KFZuzulo (Kellyann Zuzulo):
@thebookmaven @booksquare I haven't finished either. Individual scenes arresting; overall tie-ins..difficult. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:36 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
Re why title...the rapaciousness...but wonder what Mantel was thinking in stretching Seymour family home to encompass plot entire... #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:36 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@hieronymus you are anticipating questions . the use of tenses was interesting to me. again, deliberate. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:37 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@KFZuzulo Hey there! Glad you're "here." Good point versus arresting scenes v. overall plot. I agree, even though I love the book. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:37 pm
batpoet (Louise Strecker):
@booksquare "Wolf Hall" = the Seymour estate, plus they are all wolves, even the women! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:37 pm
KFZuzulo (Kellyann Zuzulo):
Someone's always nipping at your heels.... RT @booksquare: #tbc Why "Wolf Hall" as a title?
March 22, 2010 -- 9:37 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@thebookmaven wondering if this has something to do with her overall vision for the story she's telling (sequel). #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:37 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
@booksquare: but STM DIDN'T survive. That's why both Cath & Angs consider him a martyr, not just simply a saint. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:37 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
Hmmm, @hieronymus is pretty darn clever. :) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:38 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@KFZuzulo Nice! Also: There's a "pack" that makes things happen... #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:38 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@scarletncream no, but lasted far longer than you'd expect (or, i would have expected). could be reading too much into it. i do that. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:39 pm
JeanBrown (JeanBrown):
#tbc lurking loving conversation finding
Wolf Hall slow to read
March 22, 2010 -- 9:39 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
#tbc I thought pulling in the Seymours thru title was perfect - the whole court scene thruout Europe was like a wolf den.
March 22, 2010 -- 9:39 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@JeanBrown talk to us! tell us why. we are all curiosity, truly. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:39 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
#tbc For example, Cromwell's relationship with his sister-in-law. How does this impact the story? 2/2
March 22, 2010 -- 9:40 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
#tbc Thoughts on the use of the present tense? easy to read, hard to read?
March 22, 2010 -- 9:40 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
#tbc Despite the length of the book, it seemed Mantel left a lot off the page, revealing her story via asides and short introspection. 1/2
March 22, 2010 -- 9:40 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@thebookmaven @kfzuzulo you two are too funny! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:40 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
Everyone out for themselves yet still running in packs as needed. Men in charge at least nominally, yet the women were key. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:40 pm
KFZuzulo (Kellyann Zuzulo):
@thebookmaven I like the book; find myself skipping around. Part of difficulty, Adobe Digital format..bought during Amazon debacle #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:40 pm
justbooks (margie at justbooks):
@Suejustbooks @thebookmaven: Sorry to miss #tbc. I've had some margaritas. I'm pretty impressed I can still spell. I heart Cromwell.
March 22, 2010 -- 9:40 pm
eap0323 (Lizanne Payne):
Perhaps deliberate vagueness of pronouns evoked constant shifting allegiances, never clear who is who, who is on your side #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:40 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
RT @scarletncream Everyone out for themselves yet running in packs as needed. Men in charge at least nominally, yet women were key. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:41 pm
LisaHendrix (Lisa Hendrix):
@booksquare Wolf Hall is real name of the Seymour estate, plus it encapsulates the theme so well (esp as wolves were viewed at time) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:41 pm
KFZuzulo (Kellyann Zuzulo):
RT @thebookmaven: True! I like the idea of conveying the "pack" mentality and the need to please the lead wolf...the King. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:41 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
From @KFZuzulo: "Part of difficulty, Adobe Digital format..bought during Amazon debacle" -- Good Digital Behavior Matters! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:41 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@eap0323 oh wow, i like that. didn't think of allegiances in relation to pronoun shifting. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:41 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
I love the use of present tense. really seems to drag you into the now of the story. hasn't felt fey at all (yet) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:42 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@eap0323 Very, very nice observation re pronouns. Why didn't I think of that? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:42 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
RT @eap0323: Perhaps deliberate vagueness of pronouns evoked constant shifting allegiances, never clear who is who, who is on your side #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:42 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@LisaHendrix Elaborate, please on "esp. as wolves were viewed at the time" -- I'd like to know more! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:42 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@hieronymus present tense conveys urgency to me, and sometimes it helped move story faster, despite seemingly languid pace. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:43 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
STM prolly survived as long as he did bc H8 admired his can law smarts PLUS he stayed away from ct as much as poss. Even as chancellor. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:43 pm
Lisamol1 (Lisa Molinelli):
@vahva There's a Twitter book club going on re Wolf Hall tonight! You can search the hashtag #tbc to see comments and qus.
March 22, 2010 -- 9:44 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
From @bookybeck: the pronoun MISuse made me kick the damn book to the curb. Unreadability does not impress me. <-- Anyone else agree? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:44 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@bookybeck 'Sok, I RT'd. :) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:44 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
#tbc The book covers a very short period of very rich historical period. What elements of the time really stood out for you?
March 22, 2010 -- 9:45 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@justbooks @Suejustbooks Don't you find several margaritas IMPROVE #tbc? Kidding! I kid. Nice to "see" you anyway. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:45 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
even this early, I disagree. It isn't misuse, as I'm sure she's doing it on purpose. Up to me as reader to figure it out #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:45 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
I think C struggled with how to make the queens happy - he knew K never liked Wolsey, yet he agreed with Anne's piety & reform agenda. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:45 pm
LauraKinsale (Laura Kinsale):
i'm w/bookybeck, don't see sacrificing clarity for a vague impression #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:45 pm
KFZuzulo (Kellyann Zuzulo):
@thebookmaven @booksquare Anyone talk about the women. #tbc Very well drawn, I thought. Kinda reminded me of Follett's women.
March 22, 2010 -- 9:45 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
RE title "...title comes from the name of the Seymours' family seat Wolfhall...title's allusion...old Latin saying "Man is wolf to man" #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:45 pm
eap0323 (Lizanne Payne):
@thebookmaven #tbc Also I think the title is one long foreshadowing device: all the machinations to get Anne B on throne, then Jane Seymour
March 22, 2010 -- 9:46 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
"serves as a constant reminder of the dangerously opportunistic nature of the world through which Cromwell navigates.[3]" (WIKI) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:46 pm
LauraKinsale (Laura Kinsale):
tho I really liked the writing outside of the pronoun issue! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:46 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
reminds me of HS English teacher. He said bad writing by good author is done on purpose. As teen I, not surprisingly, disagreed #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:46 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
Please pardon my use of WIKI. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:46 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
and yet now I've come 'round to his point of view (again). #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:47 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@KFZuzulo we have had mention of the women running the pack, in regard to the wolf analogy. there was a lot of female strength. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:47 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@LauraKinsale Hey there! Now I'm thinking harder about pronoun issue. It may inspire a blog entry. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:47 pm
KFZuzulo (Kellyann Zuzulo):
@thebookmaven @booksquare ....might have been the prickly, tight fabrics women were swathed in... ugh. Good delivery of sensations. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:47 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
Compared to other Tudor fiction, this one fleshed out the Euro/papal issues. Wolsey's right-papacy independence creates some stability. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:47 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@LauraKinsale did you ever become comfortable with the pronoun issue? for me, it was a matter of trusting the author. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:47 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@ErikaRobuck HA, no worries. I knew Wolf Hall was Seymour estate but had forgotten that saying. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:47 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@ErikaRobuck (side note: get confused on "wiki", as that is the name of my evil cat ). #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:47 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@LauraKinsale i ask because i know you've taken some risks in your own work. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:48 pm
LisaHendrix (Lisa Hendrix):
@thebookmaven Wolves = terrifying, rapacious vermin 2b destroyed. Edw II had ordered their extermination. By Henry VII they were gone #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:48 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@KFZuzulo Laughing re fabrics. No wonder in films always running about in those wrinkly muslin nightshifts! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:48 pm
LauraKinsale (Laura Kinsale):
i got used to it but always noticed it (pronouns), pulled me out of story, not in a thoughtful way but just confuzzled #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:48 pm
eap0323 (Lizanne Payne):
#tbc LOVED Wolf Hall even with the vague pronouns and the length and knowing how it ends. Loved the wit mostly -- dry and rich at same time
March 22, 2010 -- 9:48 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@scarletncream oh very good point (have i mentioned i am weak in this era?) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:48 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@LisaHendrix THANK YOU. I'd no idea! ::Sheepish:: ::Sheepish not good thing to be around wolves...:: #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:49 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@eap0323 the humor was a huge plus for me. i loved her slyness. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:49 pm
LauraKinsale (Laura Kinsale):
yes the characterization is wonderful, C's dry humor amid humorless crowd @eap0323 #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:50 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
so twisted pronouns are to be figured out. And I like @eap0323's take on it. should help while reading #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:50 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
@KFZuzulo: yes, the description of the horsehair really enabled me to understand C's view of STM & views on 'superstition' much better. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:50 pm
KFZuzulo (Kellyann Zuzulo):
haha! and always w/glowing backlighting RT @thebookmaven: No wonder in films always running about in those wrinkly muslin nightshifts! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:50 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
@booksquare RE Historically significant...Cromwell's account of woman burning very vivid. Sick that a child could see that. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:50 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@jswilliamssr Not I, sir; 'twas another Twitter Book Club lass... She was referring to Mantel's vague pronouns in WOLF HALL. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:50 pm
LauraKinsale (Laura Kinsale):
humor as a power mode, that I got ;) just not the pronouns #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:51 pm
batpoet (Louise Strecker):
@LisaHendrix Interesting! RT @thebookmaven: Wolves = .... Edw II had ordered their extermination. By Henry VII they were gone #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:51 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@ErikaRobuck that was a very vivid scene. hurts thinking about it. i felt very close to reality there. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:51 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
I have to tell you all -- this has been one of our liveliest Twitter Book Club conversations. Thank you! NB: NOT done yet. :) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:51 pm
LisaHendrix (Lisa Hendrix):
@thebookmaven fyi, The wolf became extinct in England in 1486, Scotland in 1743, and Ireland in 1770. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:51 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
@booksquare And Mantel snuck that in, made Cromwell sympathetic, again, just when I started to judge him. #tbc She's brilliant.
March 22, 2010 -- 9:52 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@LisaHendrix you are a goddess. i had no idea. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:52 pm
karentempler (Karen Templer):
Uh oh. It's #tbc night and I'm not even halfway through the book.
March 22, 2010 -- 9:52 pm
KFZuzulo (Kellyann Zuzulo):
RT @scarletncream description of the horsehair really enabled me to understand C's view of STM & views on 'superstition' better. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:52 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@karentempler tsk, tsk! did you take time off from reading to...work? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:53 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@karentempler With Twitter Book Club, you don't even have to have OPENED the book... #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:53 pm
JennWebb (JennWebb):
RT @LisaHendrix: @thebookmaven fyi, The wolf became extinct in England in 1486, Scotland in 1743, and Ireland in 1770. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:53 pm
batpoet (Louise Strecker):
@KFZuzulo the descriptions of Katherine's heavy, jewel-laden dresses and heavy veils of other women are amazing @thebookmaven #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:53 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@thebookmaven just like my real world bookclub. @karen_palmer #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:53 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
#tbc Bonus: Mantel is apparently writing a sequel to Wolf Hall. Can you buy into her world a second time?
March 22, 2010 -- 9:55 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
@karentempler Especially because we all know how it ends so no spoilers! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:55 pm
KFZuzulo (Kellyann Zuzulo):
@thebookmaven Tankards of ale all around! #tbc @booksquare
March 22, 2010 -- 9:55 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
would you recommend Wolf Hall to others? why? why not? (i am a recommending fool for this title). #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:55 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
I believe the Golden Book Token tonight goes to @lisahendrix for her fantastic contributions re history of Tudor England. Thank you!!! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:55 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@ErikaRobuck (i, er, told @karentempler to avoid the wikipedia) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:55 pm
LisaHendrix (Lisa Hendrix):
@ErikaRobuck Concept of "childhood" is v new. Children were just small people, not a special class. Needed to know consequences of sin. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:55 pm
batpoet (Louise Strecker):
@booksquare Haha! Been there. RT @booksquare: @thebookmaven just like my real world bookclub. @karen_palmer #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:56 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
so, wow, super-fast hour. thank you all. i'm going to start the exciting housekeeping portion of our meeting. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:56 pm
KFZuzulo (Kellyann Zuzulo):
@batpoet Yes! you could practically smell the sweat under the velvet. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:56 pm
JennWebb (JennWebb):
Can't. Stay. Awake. Must. Sleep. 'Night all! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:57 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
too early to tell vis-a-vis recommending, but I would think so, even just so far into it. Unique spin on fairly well known tale #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:57 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@JennWebb Nighty-night, Kettle Belle. ;) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:57 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
next month, 4/26 (9p est/6 p pst). we're reading "an unfinished score" by @eliseblackwell. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:57 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
@booksquare I'm embarrassed that even used it for a ref. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:58 pm
LisaHendrix (Lisa Hendrix):
@thebookmaven Thanks, but I come by it naturally. Next book after wip is set in Elizabethan era: alchemists, etc. Starting research. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:58 pm
permanentpaper (Permanence Matters):
@booksquare #tbc (late to the party) YES--I have rec'd WOLF HALL b/c it is such a great example of meld of lesser known voice of Tudor hist.
March 22, 2010 -- 9:58 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
RT @booksquare: next month, 4/26 (9p est/6 p pst). were reading "an unfinished score" by @eliseblackwell. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:58 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
@booksquare: I live to serve. Seriously, more than 20 yrs! What about Anne's lack of pedigree? Did that shape C's view? 'Nt @JennWebb #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:58 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@ErikaRobuck don't be. totally fine by me. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:58 pm
permanentpaper (Permanence Matters):
@booksquare #tbc YES--will buy any and all followups to WOLF HALL tuit suite.
March 22, 2010 -- 9:58 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@LisaHendrix Will look forward to peeking at that one; cool! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:58 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
@LisaHendrix That's so interesting, and a view I hadn't considered. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:59 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
and we do want to thank the fab unbridled books for sponsoring the #tbc web presence! http://ow.ly/1pDCU
March 22, 2010 -- 9:59 pm
Suejustbooks (Sue Kowalski):
@booksquare: Ooooh, I'm almost finished with ARC of UNFINISHED SCORE and will really enjoy that discussion. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:59 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
BTW @booksquare did you mention that the title of Mantel's sequel is THE MIRROR AND THE LIGHT? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 9:59 pm
JennWebb (JennWebb):
@scarletncream 'nt!! Thank you for your insightful comments tonight! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:00 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@permanentpaper i love you! and will listen to you. glad you made it. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:00 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
i did not. RT @thebookmaven: BTW @booksquare did you mention that the title of Mantels sequel is THE MIRROR AND THE LIGHT? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:00 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
@thebookmaven Ooh, I didn't realize that was published yet. Look forward to it. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:00 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
I will now pour a port and get back to WOLF HALL. thx for the illuminating discussion! #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:00 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
@LisaHendrix: C would be VERY skeptical :-) #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:01 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
thank you all for joining in, and keep talking. i'll keep the chat open while i'm cooking! see you next month. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:01 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@ErikaRobuck It's not; just know title. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:01 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
*gasp* RT @thebookmaven: BTW @booksquare did you mention that the title of Mantel's sequel is THE MIRROR AND THE LIGHT? #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:01 pm
permanentpaper (Permanence Matters):
Twitter Book Club RT @thebookmaven: RT @booksquare: 4/26 (9p est/6 p pst). were reading "an unfinished score" by @eliseblackwell. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:01 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@hieronymus Thanks SO much for joining. Port sounds excellent, too... #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:01 pm
hieronymus (Jonathan):
RT @booksquare: next month, 4/26 (9p est/6 p pst). were reading "an unfinished score" by @eliseblackwell. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:02 pm
ErikaRobuck (Erika Robuck):
Great chat everyone! #tbc Apologies to followers on regular Twitter feed. I've got a small Tudor obsession.
March 22, 2010 -- 10:02 pm
Liza (Liza Daly):
Recapping the WOLF HALL discussion on #tbc - thanks for hosting it @booksquare !
March 22, 2010 -- 10:03 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
@Liza Great to "see" you...thanks for stopping by and reading recap. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:04 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
@booksquare: Exciting pick! Not even at #chipublib yet! Thx for another great #tbc! Thx @unbridledbooks!
March 22, 2010 -- 10:05 pm
batpoet (Louise Strecker):
Wonderful! Hope she joins us: RT @booksquare: next month, 4/26 (9p est/6 p pst) we're reading "an unfinished score" by @eliseblackwell #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:06 pm
scarletncream (Alisa M Rosales):
RT @booksquare: next month, 4/26 (9p est/6 p pst). we're reading "an unfinished score" by @eliseblackwell. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:06 pm
Liza (Liza Daly):
I loved the juxtaposition of the "modernist" tense & tone with the historical setting. Felt urgent & visceral rather than costume drama #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:08 pm
thebookmaven (Bethanne Patrick):
RT @Liza: loved juxtaposition of "modernist" tense & tone with the historical setting. Felt urgent & visceral rather than costume drama #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:10 pm
karentempler (Karen Templer):
@booksquare I confess I do know the basic history, Wikipedia or no Wikipedia. Although I know essentially nothing of Cromwell #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:11 pm
booksquare (Kassia Krozser):
@liza the urgent aspect was huge for me, especially given the time frame of the story. #tbc
March 22, 2010 -- 10:14 pm
Wolf Hall
I just read the mention of this book in my twitter. Could someone tell me what the book is about? Thank you Tina or sunsetsummers on twitter
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